Robert G. Ingersoll was an Agnostic and freethinker, which based his beliefs and teachings upon a clear understanding of the founding father's intent for the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.

What would Robert G. Ingersoll have to say about Free Speech and Pornography?

Shall anyone say Col. Ingersoll was ignorant of the Law?

"Robert Green Ingersoll, who was known throughout the world as Col. Robt. G. Ingersoll, was born in the year 1833 in the city of Dresden, State of New York. He was the son of a Congregational minister who had a good church and was very broad in his views. This accounts in a great measure for the vast fund of biblical knowledge possessed by Robert, as even when a boy, he displayed remarkable powers of argument among his acquaintances. Early in his life, he, with his brother, took up the study of law and located at Shawneetown, Illinois, where they had a prosperous practice.

Source: "Forty Four Complete Lectures" M.A. Donohue & Co, 1924

It can be safely concluded Ingersoll, by no means, was ignorant of the Law, neither the Constitution of the United States, neither the meaning or intent of "Freedom of Speech".

Any informed freethinker, would agree that Ingersoll was on the forefront of the human rights movement, especially those for women, as in the following example:

"We demand, next, that women be put upon an equality with man. Why not? Why shouldn't men be decent enough in the management of politics of the country for women to mingle with them? It is an outrage that any one should live in this country for sixty or seventy years and be forced to obey the laws without having any voice in making them. Let us give woman the opportunity to care for herself, since men are not decent enough to seek to care for her. The time will come when we'll treat a woman that works and takes care of two or three children as well as a woman dressed in diamonds who does nothing. The time will come when we'll not tell our domestic we expect to meet her in heaven, and yet not be willing to have her speak to us in the drawing-room."

-Robert Ingersoll, "Forty Four Complete Lectures: Human Rights", M.A. Donohue & Co, 1924

Robert Ingersoll held high regards and respect for women and the women's rights movement. As one can see (below) Ingersoll by no means, believed a man should have access to lust after, more than the one woman. That woman being the one he was married and committed to -- for life, family, and home. Clear insight into the meaning of what the Constitution originally intended in regards to Freedom of Speech vs. Pornography (the mass exploitation of females). Ingersoll would roll over in his grave to see the vile levels the Secular Freethought community has sank to within only a little more than a century. He would have been aghast at the liberal lawyers defending pornographic smut as "legitimate free speech". Ingersoll was clear about his beliefs in Human Dignity and Respect. He stood against the plundering and degradation of any group of people.

Ingersoll on Monogamy

"They say that it is morally inspired. Well, let us examine it. I want to be fair about this thing, because I am willing to stake my salvation or damnation on this question, whether the Bible is true or not. I say it is not; and upon that I am willing to wager my soul. Is there a woman here who believes in the institution of polygamy? Is there a man here who believes in that infamy? You say: "No; we do not." Then you are better than your God was four thousand years ago. Four thousand years ago He believed in it, taught it and upheld it. I pronounce it and denounce it the infamies of infamies. It robs our language of every sweet and tender word in it. It takes the fireside away forever. It takes the meaning out of the words father, mother, sister, brother, and turns the temple of love into a vile den where crawl the slimy snakes of lust and hatred. I was in Utah a little while ago, and was on the mountain where God used to talk to Brigham Young. He never said anything to me. I said it was just as reasonable that God in the nineteenth century would talk to a polygamist in Utah as it was that four thousand years ago, on Mount Sinai, he talked to Moses upon that hellish and damnable question.

I have no love for any God who believes in polygamy. There is no heaven on this earth save where the one woman loves the one man and the one man loves the one woman. I guess it is not inspired on the polygamy question.

-Robert Ingersoll, "Forty Four Complete Lectures: Mistakes of Moses", M.A. Donohue & Co, 1924

Ingersoll on Sexual Lust

Here is something from the Old Testament:
"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and they Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou has taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldst have her to wife, Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails." (Deut. XXI., 10,11,12.)

That is in self-defense, I suppose! (Cheers and laughter.)

This sacred book, this foundation of human liberty, or morality, does it teach concubinage and polygamy? Read the thirty-first chapter of Numbers, read the twenty-first chapter of Deuteronomy, read the blessed lives of Abraham, of David or of Solomon, and then tell me that the sacred Scripture does not teach polygamy and concubinage? All the language of the world is not sufficient to express the infamy of polygamy; it makes man a beast and woman a stone. It destroys the fireside and makes virtue an outcast. And yet it is the doctrine of the Bible. The doctrine defended by Luther and Melanthon! It takes from our language those sweetest words father, husband, wife, and mother, and takes us back to barbarism and fills our hearts with the crawling, slimy serpents of loathsome lust.

-Robert Ingersoll, "Forty Four Complete Lectures: Hell", M.A. Donohue & Co, 1924

INGERSOLL ON THE CONSTITUTION

Ingersoll on the Constitution:
"Just think of it; and yet that is the God that we want to get into the constitution."

Just what is Ingersoll's beef with "that God"?
"Do you believe that God ever allowed the roses of love and the violets of modesty that shed their perfume in the heart of a maiden to be trampled beneath the brutal feet of lust?"

Does Ingersoll stand on women's side on this issue? Or, as some have lied and attempted to mislead... Does Ingersoll think those crude sexually explicit (violent and demeaning to women) publications should be sold in convenience stores under the name of "Free Speech"? Perhaps we can even go so far as to say Ingersoll felt pornography had a right to exist, perhaps, he might would say "it has a right to exist, alongside the doctrine of Hell!"
"Whenever a woman reads a Bible and comes to that passage, she ought to throw the book from her in contempt and scorn."

'nuff said?

"Maybe this book is inspired about war. Gold told the Israelites to overrun that country, and kill every man, woman, and child for defending their native land. Kill the old men. Yes. Kill the women? Certainly. And the little dimpled babies in the cradle, that smile and coo in the face of murder -- dash out their brains; that is the will of God. Will you tell me that any God ever commanded such infamy? Kill the men and the women, and the young men and the babes! "What shall we do with the maidens?" "Give them to the rabble murderers!" Do you believe that God ever allowed the roses of love and the violets of modesty that shed their perfume in the heart of a maiden to be trampled beneath the brutal feet of lust? If there is any God, I pray him to write in the book of eternal remembrance, opposite to my name, that I denied that lie. Whenever a woman reads a Bible and comes to that passage, she ought to throw the book from her in contempt and scorn. Do you tell me that any decent God would do that? What would the devil have done under the same circumstances? Just think of it; and yet that is the God that we want to get into the constitution. That is the God we teach our children about, so that they will be sweet and tender, amiable and kind. That monster -- that fiend! I guess the Bible is not inspired about religious liberty, nor about war."
Mistakes of Moses

Ex:21:7: And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. Really, now?
Ex:21:8: If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.Absolutely. Men have a habit of doing that, don't they?
Ex:21:9: And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.I don't think I would want to be one of their daughters.
Ex:21:10: If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. Used, humiliated and given a change of clothes as a consolation prize for "Hey Baby, I've found another woman."
Ex:21:11: And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money. Now that makes divorce a heckuva lot easier (on the man).

I also gathered for myself silver and gold and the treasure of kings and provinces; I got singers, both men and women, and many concubines, man's delight. Eccl 2:8 RSV Now, isn't that just peachy?

2 Sm:5:13: And David took him more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem, after he was come from Hebron: and there were yet sons and daughters born to David. Collecting concubines and wives, like modern men collect centerfolds.

1Kgs:11:2: Of the nations concerning which the Lord said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. (KJV) Don't you mean LUST? Men wrote the Bible, and often confuse love with lust
1Kgs:11:3: And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. I wonder how many turned away to other men, waiting for Solomon to come around to make love to them?

2Chr:11:21: Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and his concubines: You meant lusted her above the others. (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.)

2Chr:11:23: And he desired many wives.
Oh, I'm sure he did

Some certain men have tried to make the extrapolation Col. Ingersoll would have defended Pornography. They are liars. Ingersoll was emphatic on the infamy of adulterated sexual affairs, aka L U S T.

Here's a side Col. Robert G. Ingersoll would take on women:

Quite frankly, I am happy and delighted to see that some females are interested in this stuff. It needs to expand in that direction really...

I know I have mentioned this in the Lounge section, but today I attended a lecture by Professor Lisa Randall. A terrific person! Simply breathtaking in her wit, intelligence, and personality. In the question session, one woman asked her, "Is there any practicality in what you do that can apply to the real world?" She first coolly and confidently responded with "To bring more females to science and the profession" That statement simply struck me...it was brilliant, really. In that moment, everyone applauded, which was the second time for the same characteristic. I admire her greatly for showing her bravery to all...again extremely opulent knowledge and intelligence. So there...thanks!

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Sincerely,

Piotr Todorov

www.advancedphysics.org

... but a lot of other men, just aren't ready to evolve yet.

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Just to show you how stupid men are...

Take a Protestant, and ask them to hail Mary three times.

Do you Ed, believe they're interested or want to?

Of course not.

Okay, if "social and gender conditioning" has that powerful of an influence over the mind --then how much more powerful, BIOLOGICAL conditioning --the wiring of the brain itself?

You think women "like it" Ed?

The human brain is also wired that men and women both, will sometimes lie through their stinking teeth, to say what they think a man wants to hear... saying what a woman believes society wants her to say.

We call this breed of human, "two faced".

LET'S DISCUSS BIOLOGICAL CONDITIONING AND BRAIN WIRING:
You think they like it? Ask a cockroach if a dog looks good to mate with.
Ask a cat if a goat is attractive to it?
Ask a chicken if it wants to mate with a fish?

The female brain was designed for intimacy. While the male brain evolved separately -differently. But some women, knowing the man "is always right" and to fit in she parrots whatever he wants to hear. Like Ed, it doesn't take a genius to figure out --WOMEN HAVE BEEN TRAINED to be subservient, including letting men think for them --TRAINED TO SAY WHAT MEN WANT TO HEAR!

I do not like it. My_brain_tells_me_so. That's more than most women have: an opinion of their own.

Dumbass men.

Wiring of The Male vs. Female Brain, Hypothalamus, Sex - Primitive Region in the Brain

But the Secular Lawyers don't want this fact getting it's fair hearing. They want to make sure men keep pouring in those big bucks padding their greedy little hands, no matter how many women (directly or indirectly) are hurt by that industry. "Men like it, and that's all that matters", huh? CASE CLOSED.

MORE to show you how stupid men are...
To add additional insult to injury on male intellect, namely those men in Secular circles...

they know the religious right is "sexually repressed". But the Religious Right at least has an excuse : AIDS, STDS, Unplanned Pregnacy...

The secular left (dominated by males of course) reason in their half-wit male brain, "since the religious right restrains itself from casual sex, we'll go all the way with the "anything goes" campaign -- the mags Hefner is farting out, must be "good" and "wholesome" then... the Secular nitwit tosses Jesus, Paul, the Early Church Fathers, the Eunuchs and the sexual repression in the trash can --and replaces it, with OLD TESTAMENT plunderings, usery and lasciviousness!!!!!!!!!!

Now there's an improvement to crow about!

What's the difference? Dan Broderick would make a great Israelite!

Ex:21:8: If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

As the good books says, if you marry a woman, and find some flaw with her, you may put her away. No Problem!

Isn't that the Old Testament way?

In the Old Testament, David takes woman after woman after woman, and when his eyes lust after another woman, he's gotta have her too.

Isn't that like some of your friends, bouncing from woman to woman to woman making babies for the taxpayer to support? Can't settle down --wants lots of casual sex. Like Solomon, he's got an "uncontrollable labido" and "needs" to impress his male friends "what a big important strong man I am".

No room for being a Dad, despite scientists discovering a sad trend --boys who grow up in homes without fathers, often end up in PRISON!

Now there is something real to talk about for improvements!

not

Who was that ho who showed herself naked in front of Vashti's ex? Gotta check out the merchandise before buying, huh Ed? And if a woman wants marriage, liftime commitment --ridicule, persecute, humiliate her as if she's crazy. You want what's in her drawers, but don't want to pay for it, right, I'm on your frequency. And when you're finished using her for what you want out of her, -- just move on to another woman so you can mess her life up too. And then another woman, and another woman and another woman... an unforgiving cycle of usery, deceit, plundering and barbarity. Sure, men like it when they can get together with their male friends feeling "macho" and "masculine" having slept with over 100 women --bragging on their endeavors, but the women they left in their path aren't happy. Scientific polls have proven, the more relationships a man has, the more successful and happy he is. The less, longer-lasting relationships a woman has, the more successful and happy the woman is. Can you figure out why? Because USED in the Old Testament is the same as USED in the modern day. Women seek commitment, not getting used for a no-strings-attached one night stand --men like those one-night-stand deals, don't they? Never mind, that it tears a woman apart emotionally. Then, years later, come those same stupid men BELLY ACHING because they can't find a woman soft-hearted enough to love 'em. Like they say: They made their bed... lie in it.

Ezra, Old Testament, "put the strange wives away"... they're not quite human -just a body the man plants his seed in. You use 'em and lose 'em. --there's no real commitment, is there?

And Adam --yes, the "perfect male patriarch" is given in marriage to Lilith. Lilith never ate of the forbidden fruit, so why didn't she inherit paradise? She should have had it all -the tree of life, and paradise all to herself.

Lilith gets turned into a demon by rabbis. Isn't that "justice for women", at its finest. In fact in ancient lore, Lilith gets turned into the demon who tempted them! BAD WOMEN... BAD BAD WOMEN. ...That old *bad* Betty Broderick. Dan was just "having fun with a prettier woman". That's basically King David's motive, when he murdered Bathsheba's husband.

The Old Testament is overflowing with examples of selfishness and lustful adultery, --and its all just swell with the Hebrews... and for Playboy.

Moses commanding, take those virgins for yourselves, and put the older, uglier women to death.
Yup, Hefner can tell you lots about that --raid those young women, strip 'em down so men can get their rocks off (while padding his bank account).

Put a "symmetrically perfect breast" on display for men -so they can criticise and ridicule the women, brow-beating them into the cosmetic surgeon's office. Hefner laughs all the way to the bank. Beat down and psychologically abuse your women! Convince them they're nothing! Show them MAN is still king of the hill, and boys will be boys -we'll use ANYTHING to make women feel like PURE GARBAGE." (Projection, because we're garbage).

You getting the drift now?

The Secular male has made things a whole lot WORSE for women.

Women need a man with a stable mind, and in control of his bodily functions.
We do not want a man who runs around like a chicken with its head cut off, and its fly open with the pecker hanging out --to run up in anything that will spread its leg for two seconds. THAT is the Old Testament, and THAT is the sum of the scumbags you call "intellectual colleagues".

MALE AGGRESSION
by Edward T. Babinski

I think the majority of human male primates on this planet are muscle bound testosterone driven brutes who commonly seek either psychological or physical domination over other males, females, and children. Males continue to fill our prisons more than women do. Just google up all the major horror stories reported by the news any day of the year and males continue to make bold verbal threats and murder and wage wars. Males continue to murder males galore even in their own coutries in gang warfare, organized crime, family disputes, robberies, and of course rape, torture and murder of females and children as well.

And holy books continue to contain verses about females being there to "serve and obey" males, which is also the message of the apes of the secular world as well. Even Hinduism preaches that being reincarnated as a female is not equal to being reincarnated as a male. Actually, I suspect the reverse is nearer the truth and that being reincarnated as a female is something more Hindu males ought to aspire to. I also suspect that more Muslim and Christian male ought to listen to females and make plans together with them rather than continue to inculcate in the female mind the necessity of "serving and obeying" them.

UGLINESS
I need a comic strip that shows a man who has hired "professionals" for his "entertainment" --leather, whips, chains -- the whole nine yards of domination and s-m --and the punchline is, they tell him (at threat of getting the crap beaten out of him) --he better get up and do his act ... what humor! Once looking at his dopey imperfect features . . .

Yes, imagine that. Women holding up pics of "perfect bodies" and then making a man COMPARE his to it. ... and LAUGHING at his body parts... a society teaching men to HATE AND BE ASHAMED OF THEIR OWN BODY, DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY... and making men feel OBLIGATED to get thousands in cosmetic surgery... so some selfish, beer-guzzling, beer-gut slackard can slouch back, thinking "he's a king" --and a right to judge what your body looks like. The slacker ought go take a long look in the mirror at his own flaws before judging a woman -who is so much prettier than he is, by nature.

THE ONLY THING UGLIER THAN A NAKED WOMAN IS A NAKED MAN.
-A Wise Old Woman

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Men are a very CONFUSED gender (and its contagious, confusing women out of their wits, how to feel or act)

Here's the sum of all the knowledge a man will ever need about women:
It would spare society all those awful spams pushing their snake oil, loading the inboxes...
Why is this so difficult for a man to understand?
Women are pretty basic. Simple to figure out.

But, I'm not confused.

Read the Bible, everything from man taking many many -- TOO MANY wives, to men saying "cut it off for Jesus"...

There's a balance between the extremes and men cannot figure this out?

#1 --I don't want other women in the picture.
#2 --I need it a hell of a lot worse than Jesus does.

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